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Brexit could threaten expat life in Spain

8572British expats in Spain could forfeit their rights to live and work there if the referendum vote favours leaving the EU, Spain’s acting prime minister has warned.

Mariano Rajoy noted that forgoing free movement rights would be “negative for everyone”.

“I have no doubt whatsoever, as I have repeatedly stated, that it would be very negative if the United Kingdom left the European Union. Negative for everybody, for the United Kingdom, for Spain, and for the European Union,” Rajoy told Spanish news agency EFE.

“But, above all, it would be very negative for British citizens: the European Union is based, ever since its foundation, on the principles of freedom of movement of people, goods, services and capitals.”

More than 400,000 British citizens live and work in Spain, while 100,000 Spanish citizens live in the UK, he said.

“Leaving the European Union would mean that British citizens would lose their right to move freely, work and do business within the largest economic area, the largest market in the world,” he said.

If the vote results in Brexit, Spain would not be obliged to continue to provide free healthcare to anyone who is not a citizen of the EU.

Separately, Brexit campaigners have talked about the possibility of introducing an immigration system based on points. Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte said it would likely be “unavoidable, inevitable” that European nations would impose a points system on Brits.

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+1 #10 Peter Booker 2016-06-03 11:33
Referring to Chip´s point about passports. Yes, because Britain does not belong to the Schengen agreement, you do need your passport when you travel outside Britain. And it is not beyond the bounds of the possible that Britons will be subject to further controls after Brexit. Visas? Exchange controls? Who knows what the fall out will be? We can be sure that those still in the EU will suffer disadvantage, and will not pave the path of the travelling Briton with roses.
0 #9 Verjinie 2016-06-03 10:49
"should not be subject to any conditions." N.B. 'should'.

Rajoy says 'could'.

Peter Booker is, again, right. I well recall all aspects of the scenario, which he describes, as conditions which prevailed pre-E'U'.
+2 #8 Chip 2016-06-03 10:41
More rubbish from Rajoy! I used to visit Spain long before the EU was spawned and ate and drank in British owned restaurants and bars.
My German missus was working and living in England for years before the EU crawled from the sewer.
Oh, and Peter Booker. I wasn't aware that I no longer need my passport at Faro airport.
0 #7 Dennis.P 2016-06-03 10:10
This is all a storm in a teacup. Any EU country making things unnecessarily difficult for the UK citizens within their borders after Brexit knows that 'tit for tat' will then be applied to their citizens. Far too many are already sending back their many millions earned or pilfered from the UK to their homelands to be spent there. Why upset the status quo ?

No one should be applying Portuguese thinking to this subject as it has been seriously but 'secretly' warped against the British from the Portuguese arrival in the EU 30 years ago. Spain's likewise is warped by the Gibraltar question.

Pensioners are not what the EEC / EU was set up for but whilst on the subject what is the problem with 'passport control'? The British already show their passports to get into Portugal! Common sense tells us that a market will arise for pensioners health care through insurance and / or there will be reciprocal charging between countries.

And opportunities for the British to better oneself through self employment in Portugal ? A country that uniquely has only ever applied a near total prohibition on the British passport holder being 'effectively occupying' and establishing their own businesses in Portugal - particularly in tourism.

This is the saddest aspect of the debate - countries like Portugal and Spain have absolutely no intention of 'doing the right thing' viz a viz the British post June 23rd - whichever way the vote goes. Yet happily continue flooding the UK with their citizens to get the opportunities the UK offers.
+2 #6 Peter Booker 2016-06-03 09:35
Cameron has made a pig´s ear of his campaign, and I too am unsure of his real aim.

I do not see Rajoy´s words as scaremongering, merely descriptive.

If Britain leaves the EU, then the conditions governing the lives of us expats will change. There will be passport controls, there will be frozen pensions, there will be healthcare costs, there will be restrictions on working outside Britain, there will be customs difficulties for imports, perhaps even increased charges for movement of money. These changes are certainly not in my interest, nor I suspect in the interest of any of the British expats in Portugal.
+1 #5 Ed 2016-06-03 08:58
Quoting SueF:
This may also be pertinent to anyone with permanent residency here:

DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL
of 29 April 2004

(18) In order to be a genuine vehicle for integration into the society of the host Member State in
which the Union citizen resides, the right of permanent residence, once obtained, should not
be subject to any conditions.


Problems then if Britain removes itself from the Union....
+4 #4 SueF 2016-06-03 08:34
This may also be pertinent to anyone with permanent residency here:

DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL
of 29 April 2004

(18) In order to be a genuine vehicle for integration into the society of the host Member State in
which the Union citizen resides, the right of permanent residence, once obtained, should not
be subject to any conditions.
+6 #3 Mike Towl 2016-06-03 07:44
What a waste of space Rajoy is. This is the idiot who wanted to join forces with Argentina to force the UK out of Gib and The Falklands. Really, as if a bankrupt country like Spain, and the rest of them, are going to chuck out 400,000 tax payers, lots of whom do not work but just spend money in that country. Fat chance! Doubtless he has not heard of the United Nations Charter which forbids expulsion of any foreigner from a country on the basis of their nationality. Probably not.
+4 #2 dw 2016-06-03 00:13
Quoting Charly:
One can say "he is even worser than a Portugese politician".....

Indeed, and Rajoy is another nasty piece of work, spreading fear for political ends. Freedom of movement, as we learn from the expat voting right case, and the reintroduction of border controls within Eurpope, is just an empty promise.

As it is the daily diet of manufactured hysterical fear mongering Brexit headlines is just getting boring.
+4 #1 Charly 2016-06-02 22:58
A simple question: does the English people understand what Cameron really wants ? First he preeched for a brexit, today he pledges to stay in the club.... Who really knows what that man really wants ? One can say "he is even worser than a Portugese politician".....

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