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Minister vows to end tax-free deal for retired Finns in Portugal

4828Finland is in urgent discussions with Portuguese officials to change the countries' bilateral tax treaty, or it will be torn up.

Finland’s Finance Minister Alexander Stubb is aiming to end a scheme that allows Finnish retirees living in Portugal to avoid paying income tax.

Alexander Stubb says he wants to put an end to tax dodge and if he can not renegotiate the current treaty, he will simply tear it up.

"We have two alternatives over the next few weeks; either we sign a tax agreement that is similar to the agreement we have with Spain, or we give up the old agreement we have with Portugal," the minister stated.

According to the terms of the current treaty, Finland cannot apply taxes on private sector pensions paid to Finns in Portugal.

Portugal generously allows foreign retirees resident in the country to apply for a ten-year tax holiday, which an estimated 100% do.

Finland tackled this same problem in Spain where thousands of its retirees had opted to while away their retirements. Finnish tax collectors soon will be collecting taxes on all pensions paid to Finns living in Spain.

The Spanish government has made things tighter for everyone as the government levies a 2.5% tax on worldwide assets meaning those who still have a home and assets in high asset value countries such as the UK can be hit hard.

There are two forms the Spanish authorities make expats fill in, one on which you declare your Spanish assets worth over €50,000 and another on which worldwide assets must be declared.

Finns in Portugal can expect the same occupational pension treatment as their colleagues in Spain if Stubb is able to carry through his threatened rewriting of the tax agreement.

Other EC countries’ will be watching events closely to see if they too can bring an end to the tax-free lifestyles of their retired citizens who choose to move to south to tax friendly countries.

These tax deals have encouraged people to move to places such as Spain and Portugal, to the delight of traders, estate agents and property vendors, but the inequality created by relatively well-off foreigners paying zero tax on their occupational pensions, while locals suffer high austerity rate tax levels, is causing comment.

Finland is unlikely to be the only northern country to reign in its emigrants' spending power and Stubb's successful campaign to reverse the deal with Spain may be the first of many.

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-6 #12 Veleiro 2016-02-11 08:43
I had planned to not comment further, but would like to correct a possible misunderstanding. Of course the same rules would apply to a portuguese settling in Finland. The tax agreements are reciprocal, bilateral agreements - different from the "Golden Visa", which allow non-EU citizens tax and residency benefits.
-6 #11 Veleiro 2016-02-11 06:43
I had intended to stop commenting but have to add something to clear up a possible misunderstanding. Of course a portuguese would get the same treatment in the other country. The tax agreements are reciprocal and not the same as the so called Golden Visa, which allow non-EU people tax (and residency) benefits. The latter have nothing to do with bilateral tax agreements.
-7 #10 Boondog 2016-02-10 22:58
Quoting Veleiro:
If that is all - lucky Finns! Still dont see the problem for Portugal though - unless they use up more than that. Anyways, it seems as the main point is envy here and then there are loads of areas to focus on. Enjoy!

I think Ed's main point throughout has been 'fairness' with locals having to pay full tax rates while others do not because they are foreign.
Also, if a Portuguese retiree went to Finland, would he or she enjoy the same tax free status...? I rest my case M'Lud, as you say, there is plenty to enjoy but I am interested in learning of these various tax schemes and how people feel about them.
-4 #9 Veleiro 2016-02-10 22:35
If that is all - lucky Finns! Still dont see the problem for Portugal though - unless they use up more than that. Anyways, it seems as the main point is envy here and then there are loads of areas to focus on. Enjoy!
-5 #8 Boondoggle 2016-02-10 22:21
Quoting Veleiro:
The rate varies according to income, but approximately 20% will be paid, which is probably more than most people pay for health services thorugh their tax. Schooling and education should not put a lot of strain on portuguese resources from this group of people, while the country receives needed spending power to help a slowly recovering economy. Wouldnt say this is a bad deal for the country.


"Finnish residents in Portugal pay a 1.5% healthcare tax to Finland," according to the Helsinki Times 09 Feb 2015.

This is almost tax free in my book.
-7 #7 Veleiro 2016-02-10 22:11
The rate varies according to income, but approximately 20% will be paid, which is probably more than most people pay for health services thorugh their tax. Schooling and education should not put a lot of strain on portuguese resources from this group of people, while the country receives needed spending power to help a slowly recovering economy. Wouldnt say this is a bad deal for the country.
-6 #6 Boondog 2016-02-10 19:48
Quoting Veleiro:
It is not correct that the pensioners don¨t pay tax. They actually continue to pay tax at home (at least in Sweden and Norway), which is used to finance the health insurance in Portugal through transfer between the governments. All local taxes are of course aid as well (IMI, IVA etc.).

At what rate?
-3 #5 Veleiro 2016-02-10 18:37
It is not correct that the pensioners don¨t pay tax. They actually continue to pay tax at home (at least in Sweden and Norway), which is used to finance the health insurance in Portugal through transfer between the governments. All local taxes are of course aid as well (IMI, IVA etc.).
-3 #4 Daphne 2016-02-10 11:41
Is there confusion here between those on a retirement pension in Portugal ..... and pre-pension age retirees (or actual retirees with minimal pensions) living off some 'income / investments / earnings' (such as a property rental) sent to Portugal from elsewhere in the EU?

What do ADN's Fiscal advertisers suggest is best for these different types? As its often a bun fight between them - let battle commence ....
-3 #3 SarahP 2016-02-10 07:30
I seem to have missed out on this scheme. As a long term fixed income retiree to Portugal my spending power, if it can be called that, is helped only by the current exchange rate between the UK and Britain.
New retiree arrivals paying zero tax on occupational pensions can't be right, can it? I pay what seems like a high rate of tax in Portugal with fewer and fewer deductible items each year. Certainly I pay far more here than I would in the UK. I last went to a restaurant last November for my birthday, maybe I am not contributing enough....

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